Everything I need to know for frisbee, I learned in basketball-
- hit the open guy
- move without the ball
- reverse the court
- hit your free throws
- follow your shot
- don't stop at the foul, finish the play
- be able to beat your man with both hands
- get into the lane
- don't force action with shots
- reward the big man for running the court
- always acknowledge the assist man
- create a passing lane for the dribbler
- win your individual battle
- if overplayed, go back door
- box out
- don't speak unless spoken to
- defense is a full time job
- look to help with your body and your mouth
- triangulate your man, ball, and hoop
- know when you are 1 pass, 2 passes, or 3 passes removed
- pressure the ball
- zone does not mean you do not run
- move your feet, do not reach, stay on your toes
- don't get beat back door
- keep your hands in the passing lanes
- when the pass is thrown, it is either a steal or completed
- hit the open guy
- move without the ball
- reverse the court
- hit your free throws
- follow your shot
- don't stop at the foul, finish the play
- be able to beat your man with both hands
- get into the lane
- don't force action with shots
- reward the big man for running the court
- always acknowledge the assist man
- create a passing lane for the dribbler
- win your individual battle
- if overplayed, go back door
- box out
- don't speak unless spoken to
- defense is a full time job
- look to help with your body and your mouth
- triangulate your man, ball, and hoop
- know when you are 1 pass, 2 passes, or 3 passes removed
- pressure the ball
- zone does not mean you do not run
- move your feet, do not reach, stay on your toes
- don't get beat back door
- keep your hands in the passing lanes
- when the pass is thrown, it is either a steal or completed
posted by sometallskinnykid at 9:02 PM
11 Comments:
uh, has billy emailed you to talk about triangles yet?
Tim,
Interesting post. I am a terrible basketball player, but it seems that the blend of scripted plays and improvised action is similar in the two sports. Also, the fact that everyone is a decision-maker.
I do think that the ability to move with the ball creates some significant differences, though.
Luke's comment is funny, but it is too bad that we link Billy and the Triangle in our minds. Tim, to what extent do you feel that the principles behind the Triangle apply to Ultimate?
-G
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If a guy has an open layup, take him out.
Hales- still have that spin move?
Pfil- I never played on the 3rd court, too much football there.
GC- as far as defensive triangle, I think they are the exact same. In bb, you keep your body in between the hoop and your man. And then you open up or keep your eye on the ball.
In frisbee, instead of the hoop, you are positioning your body between your man and what you feel is the most dangerous place to cut. But you still are open to or keeping your vision on the disc.
For example, if I am guarding Alex Nord, the most dangerous area (at least for me as a defender) is the endzone. If I am guarding Alex d.F., I will allow him to go deep more often and attempt to take away the area closer to the disc.
Another example is the disc on the break force side (say on the backhand side of the field during a forehand force). The experienced defenders will position themselves even or on the backhand side, even though the force is forehand. The reason, of course, is a break mark throw when the disc is on the break mark side is easier and the break mark area is the most dangerous area for the cutter to get the disc.
The harder throw is the forehand that loops around the defender to the offensive player.
The triangle should also allow you to take more looks at the disc when you are just standing/guarding your man.
Personally, I am always trying to keep the triangle philosphy while playing defense.
- The bonier the elbows, the more space you're given by defenders.
I think GC was talking about the Triangle Offense in basketball, not the principle of the defensive triangle. You know, the offense that Phil Jackson and Tex Winters preach.
Other basketball/frisbee parallels include:
*Pivot foot is usually opposite of your dominant hand
*Check cuts/V-cuts are the same in both sports
*If a smaller defender switches onto a bigger offender, he should cut to the goal for the post up/huck.
*Poppers in a zone O are the same in basketball and ultimate
*Box-and-1 and Triangle-and-2 defense in basketball translate well to junk D's in ultimate
Dude, I will ROACH you deep. Uh, assuming you poach on somebody along the way.
Hmmm. I wonder what Parinella originally said if that was what he decided to leave.
That is interesting that you are willing to give up the 'with the force' throw that easily when the offense is on the break force side. I can understand playing even, but actually switching to the bad side is striking. Of course, DoG had a player a few years ago that did that, but he inevitably got roached badly with the force. Somehow, I think he was more a space cadet than an 'experienced' defender.
triangle... triangle... triangle...
that'll be 10k...
Interstingly enough, I was actually contemplating being on the "bad" side last night.
As stated before, I don't think defensive philosophies have progressed nearly as much as offense, and this is one aspect I was looking at. So...is it a bad idea...well...you are forcing them to throw it to one side...you tell me :)
Being on the bad side would only be of true value if you could guarantee that they couldn't come back the other way once they were trapped on the far sideline, ie., your trap defense was so superb. Otherwise, it seems foolhardy to give up easy yards.
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